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Latest post Sun, Nov 22 2009 12:49 AM by Cat . 99 replies.
  • Sat, Sep 26 2009 12:40 PM In reply to

    Re: I've been accepted to my SECOND juried show!

    MeganH:
    As far as credit card sales, I use Propay (www.propay.com) and have used them for over 5 years (no affiliation, just a satisfied customer!).  You don't need to have a merchant account, there are no monthly minimums and their annual fees start around $30-35 to just accept Visa and MC (plus per transation fees). 
     

    HOLY COW!  I just checked the site and this is VERY doable!  I could easily pay $60 a year for the premium account, get a handheld knucklebuster from Mr. Imprinter for $14.00, and authorizing the transactions with my cell phone if there is a signal inside the venue, and I would be in big business!  The transactions would be made using my cell phone, complete with authorization, then I am assuming I use the knucklebuster and slips to give the customer a receipt.

    Megan, do I have that right?  Pending a little more investigation and talk with my hubby, I may just be able to do this! 

     Sherri S.

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  • Sat, Sep 26 2009 4:06 PM In reply to

    • MeganH
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    Re: I've been accepted to my SECOND juried show!

     Hi Sherri - I just e-mailed back but figured I'd answer here too.  Yup, you've got it right!  Set up costs around probably less than $75 for the annual fee and the knucklebuster and you can easily recoup that at a show.  It's nice with the premium acct too, b/c you can take AMEX and Discover as well (although a higher % is charged for AMEX).  The only thing is, you can't refuse a sale, no matter how small it is - I've taken charges as low as $8 - so you may want to add a dollar or two to your prices to make up for the transaction fees.

    Good luck!

    Megan

  • Sat, Sep 26 2009 4:57 PM In reply to

    • Deb
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    Re: I've been accepted to my SECOND juried show!

    The only thing I would add to Megan's comment is that you are also not allowed to charge a processing or "convenience" fee if someone pays by credit card or debit. You aren't allowed to set a minimum sale, either. If you have 50 cent widgets and someone wants to pay with a card, you have to take it, or you could void your agreement with the card processing company and be subject to hefty penalties.

    DH and I attended a business networking meeting with the regional head of security about credit card fraud, identity theft, counterfiting and more. He says he LOVES to bust stores and vendors with "convenience fees" or minimum purchase requirements. He told us about going into a convenience store and buying a soda. The clerk told him that he had to spend at least $5. He didn't - walked out without the soda and immediately called his card co about it. That store and every one in the region lost their contract! Cost them a jillion dollars in fines and sales until they found another card co. There are SOME (very few) corporations (mostly gas stations) that are allowed to charge a convenience fee, but peons like us aren't allowed to do it.

    When we processed other vendors' credit card sales, we usually paid them cash (minus $1) - being in the flea market, we had a cash basis for most sales anyway, so that wasn't hard to do. Once in a while, if it was early in the day or something, we gave the other vendor a choice of whether they wanted cash or a check. If they wanted cash, they would either wait until the end of the day, or Mike or I would go to the bank for the cash. But, then again, we saw each other every weekend, so nobody dared play games!

    Deb

     

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  • Sun, Sep 27 2009 11:21 AM In reply to

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    Thanks Deb and Megan, for the info on having to take all transactions.  Thing of it is, I wouldn't even consider not taking a charge no matter how small it is.  A sale is a sale, and whatever fees are associated with it I see as the cost of doing business.  A "convenience fee"?  I don't like being nickel-and-dimed myself, and I would not do that to my customers.  I want them to return!

    Megan, I sent you more questions via email.  Once I get your answers, I'm going right to ProPay to sign up!

    Thank you Deb and Megan!

     Sherri S.

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  • Mon, Sep 28 2009 7:45 AM In reply to

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    Of course you were re-invited to that show!!!! You rock, girl! Congrats! I wish you the best weather and enjoy the show, the evening at the restaurant and everything.

  • Mon, Sep 28 2009 2:30 PM In reply to

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    Thanks for your well wishes, Dagi.  I think I'll be more excited about this show than I was last year! 

    And THIS time, I will have my helper take a picture of my booth with me standing in front of it, before the show opens to the public.  Last year, I took a picture of my booth with my helper sitting in a chair behind it.  What was I thinking?  Why I did that, I don't know.  The picture should have ME in it, since it is my booth!

     Sherri S.

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  • Mon, Sep 28 2009 10:23 PM In reply to

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    I show/sell at select shows, so ProPay is perfect! I even like to use it for my website sales! Be sure to buy the 'swipe' for the extra cost. I did and it is wonderful!

    Good Luck! I have been to Steamboat Springs many, many times. You are right about the area! I wish I was closer, I would have applied myself....great venue!! Can't wait to hear more after the show in December!

    Erin

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  • Tue, Sep 29 2009 12:39 AM In reply to

    • Lisa
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    Re: I've been accepted to my SECOND juried show!

    Congratulations, Sherri, YOU GO GIRL!!!  Of course, none of us are surprised even a little bit that you were invited back.  Your work is gorgeous, and the show organizers obviously know quality when they see it.  Sounds like it'll be a fun outing, too -- have a super-rich chocolate dessert for me, would ya?!

    Megan, thanks for the hot top on ProPay.  And Deb, thanks, too, for the info on "convenience fees" and such.  I'm with Sherri -- a sale is a sale, no matter how small.  That small sale could end up being a much bigger sale later, you never know.  I've been looking for a reasonably-priced way to accept credit cards in my shop, and it looks like ProPay just might be the answer!

    Deb, do you have any advice on the process of accepting a customer's credit card?  For example, do you ask to see a photo ID?  Is there any information I should collect other than the customer's signature?  (assuming here that I'm using one of those knuckle-busters and am phoning in the transaction)  What am I not thinking of?

    Have a beadiful day!

    lisa  Paradise

  • Tue, Sep 29 2009 1:30 AM In reply to

    • Lisa
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    Re: I've been accepted to my SECOND juried show!

    Oh, I just thought of another question.  Deb and Megan, you might have some good advice on this one...  With all of the credit card fraud these days, what steps should I take to protect both myself and my customers?  If I use a knuckle-buster, the customer's entire credit card number and expiration date will be printed on it.  I'm assuming I should keep these slips locked up -- is a locked file cabinet sufficient?  At what point can I destroy the printed copies?

    I'm wondering if I should consider the "Microsecure Card Reader" that ProPay offers, assuming I elect to go with them.  It'll store the customer's credit card data in encrypted format.  But then what would the customer sign to authorize the transaction?  Would I end up using the knuckle-buster anyway?  The card reader costs $100 up front plus $50 extra per year for the service.  And since I don't have a laptop at the shop, I'd still have to use my phone to get authorization for the transaction.  Advice, ladies?

    Have a beadiful day!

    lisa  Paradise

  • Tue, Sep 29 2009 12:27 PM In reply to

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    Lisa:
    Advice, ladies?

    A comment from tghe other side:  Yes, keep your copy secure, especially at the point of sale.  File them at home by month.  After taxes, but after at least a year, you can shred them unless your tax advisor says otherwise.

    Using a locked container, with a slot to insert the copy, in your booth should be secure enough; if you are realy concerned, add a chain and padlock to keep it in place [just a leash, ma'am].

    I doubt that the extra expense would be worth it.  BTW, having the signed copy could be verey useful if a customer denies making the purchase.

    Stan B.

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  • Tue, Sep 29 2009 2:19 PM In reply to

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    beadsbeadingbeaded:

    I show/sell at select shows, so ProPay is perfect! I even like to use it for my website sales! Be sure to buy the 'swipe' for the extra cost. I did and it is wonderful!

    Good Luck! I have been to Steamboat Springs many, many times. You are right about the area! I wish I was closer, I would have applied myself....great venue!! Can't wait to hear more after the show in December!

    Erin

     

    Erin, thanks for your well wishes, and for your tip on the swipe.  I was planning to get a tabletop knucklebuster, but I will look into the swipe as well - I think they had it on the ProPay website.  We'll see exactly how much extra the swipe would cost me, and what the benefits are.

    And you can be sure I'll be posting here about how the show went!  I did last year!

     Sherri S.

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  • Tue, Sep 29 2009 2:34 PM In reply to

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    Lisa:

    I'm wondering if I should consider the "Microsecure Card Reader" that ProPay offers, assuming I elect to go with them.  It'll store the customer's credit card data in encrypted format.  But then what would the customer sign to authorize the transaction?  Would I end up using the knuckle-buster anyway?  The card reader costs $100 up front plus $50 extra per year for the service.  And since I don't have a laptop at the shop, I'd still have to use my phone to get authorization for the transaction.  Advice, ladies?

     

    I myself am going to go with the knucklebuster, because I want to accept credit cards but want as few exepenses associated with it as possible.  I'll start with the knucklebuster and if I deem it appropriate later down the road, MAYBE I'll upgrade to the other options such as the card reader.  Heck, a knucklebuster on eBay's Mr Imprinter is only $10, complete with 100 credit card slips!  That's a very decent start-up cost!  Of course, I don't have a shop the way you do, so maybe the card reader would be more appropriate for you. 

    For me, I am hoping that I can use the knucklebuster and use my phone solely to get an authorization number for each transaction.  Then when I get home, I'll enter all of the transactions into ProPay on-line, and the money will be in the bank 3-4 days later.  To me, this is a safe and cost-effective way of accepting credit cards.  I will either use a fanny pack to store them at the shows I do or put them in a hidden cash box until I get home.  For me, living rurally,  it is highly unlikely anyone will break into my house and search for this stuff.  There are too few people in the county and crime is extremely low. 

    I think I'll keep the slips for 6 months, then shred them.  I'm not sure what the time limit is on chargebacks on credit cards, but 6 months I would Winkthink is a safe time frame.

    ((((((HUGS!!!))))))) as always!

     Sherri S.

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  • Tue, Sep 29 2009 6:03 PM In reply to

    • Deb
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    Okay - first putting on accountant's hat. You can't shred the slips for at least 3 years after the sale - not because of chargebacks, but because of IRS! Most records for a business you should keep a minimum of 7 years. Yes, I know, all that paperwork takes up a lot of space, but you'll be glad you had it if you ever get audited. You should see all the paperwork we have for the store, SHEESH!

    As Stan said, keep the slips in a locked cash box or someplace secure at the show (be sure you keep any extra copies and shred them immediately) and then file them by month. You can put them in a manilla envelope and put them in a file cabinet. More about the credit card slips further down in this post.

    :: Taking off accountant's hat ::

    Knucklebusters are a pain - they are bulky, the slide often doesn't apply enough pressure to imprint the card number/expiration date properly, and just overall aren't easy to use. We've had one for years and have probably used it less than a half dozen times - usually when the power went out. If you can't read the number and the expiration date, it could cause problems for settlement. If you use a knucklebuster, be sure that you can read the numbers on your copy of the slip - match it with the card while it's still in your hand! You have to be careful to destroy any carbon paper and extra copies. I'd suggest a good crosscut shredder!

    In the flea market, we had a card reader that was battery operated and wireless (we could run it on electricity, also - we used it in the store for a while, but connected it to a hard wired phone line). It had a little antenna that we attached when setting up in the morning. We could swipe cards and do PIN entry all on one unit, so we didn't have to worry about extra cords or devices. It connected instantly to the card processor with each transaction and we didn't have to worry about being sure we manually phoned in or processed all of the slips at the end of the day. We could take debit and credit cards, which surprised many people. I still joke that we take debit and credit cards and we also take cash with 2 co-signers and 3 IDs. My personal advice is to get a wireless card reader/pinpad with the best security encryption you can afford. We did pay extra for the wireless feature, but considering that it was essentially it's own cell phone, the fee wasn't too bad. The whole thing was practically idiot-proof and paid for itself several times over.

    Debit cards usually cost a certain rate and credit cards usually cost a different rate. If the purchase is less than $20, it's usually better to run it as a charge, rather than a debit, but I ALWAYS give the customer the choice of debit or credit.

    Fraud and ID problems - this comes from our neighborhood network meetings, most of them from the regional head of security at our bank.

    Credit cards first - Using a credit card or the credit function of a bank card (with a VISA or MC logo) is the most secure for yourself AND for the customer - a signed receipt (whether from the card reader or the knucklebuster) is better protection for both of you.

    When you get a card, look at the front, including the name and the expiration date. Then look at the back. See if the signature matches the name on the front. Some cards have the last 4 numbers of the card on the back of the card next to the CV number. (The CV is the number that you use to validate a card purchase.)

    If you're doing a show or flea market where you have different and transient customers, ALWAYS ask for ID! I don't ask my regular customers for ID unless I haven't seen them in a while, then I joke about asking them because they could have an evil twin who stole their card.

    When you look on the back of the card, you will see one of 3 things. One will be an unsigned card. When you ask about it, they'll say," I never sign my card" For them that is a BAD thing. An unsigned card voids the agreement with the card company and if it's stolen will have a terrible time getting things fixed. A merchant NEVER *has* to accept an unsigned card and at Christmas a couple of years ago MC and VISA told their merchants NOT to accept an unsigned card.

    The second thing you'll see is a signature - when you ask for ID, you can compare the signature, but it's not an absolute. A signature on a fake ID will match a signature on a fake (or sometimes stolen) card. You also want to match signatures on the card with the signature on the receipt.

    The third thing you'll see is "Ask for ID", "CID" or "Photo ID Required". NONE of these is acceptable unless the card is also signed. I know - we've all heard "don't sign your card, just put 'ask for ID' on it". Sign your card AND write "Ask for ID" on it. I wish I had a nickel for every time I've had the discussion with a customer about credit cards, IDs and signatures.

    Now for ID's - ALWAYS ask them to take it out of their wallet and hand you the ID. Don't just look at the photo and say, "yeah, it's you". I tell people that if the picture on their ID looks like them, it's a fake! Think about it - your driver's license photo resembles you for about 10 minutes after the photo is taken! Look at the photo AND look at the information - there's a reason it's on the card - for IDENTIFICATION! Some states have a magnetic strip on the back with the info encoded. Others carry some of the info from the front of the card to the back - expiration date, issue date, date of birth, name, card number, etc. Look at the back of the card as well as the front - see if the info from the front matches the back. If someone is using a stolen ID, they will usually change the photo and maybe the name/address info on the front, but usually never bother to change anything on the back. The mismatch is where you will catch fraud.

    The TSA at airports got in big trouble because they weren't catching altered ID's because all they were doing is looking at the photo, which of course resembled the person. There was a huge case in AZ - a guy used an altered ID and stolen credit cards for months and ran up about $250K in charges, until a teller at a bank realized that the young man at her window did not match the name and information for an elderly woman! Until that point, when checking ID, the clerks only looked at the photo and let it go.

    While we're talking about fraud - think about counterfeit money. Those pens are nice if the bill's just been copied on a photo copier. If the bill has been "washed", the pen will show that it's a real bill. Older bills are problematic. New bills are better - there are lots of safeguards. Things like the security strip with the denomination on it (each denomination has the strip in a different place).  Check the watermark (hold the bill to the light and to the right of the portrait, you will see a watermark of the same portrait. If you see Andrew Jackson where Ben Franklin should be, you have a fake bill! On the front of bills $10 and higher, the number of the denomination will color shift with the angle of the bill. Also, the bill is micro printed with the number on the back. There's much more to confirming whether a bill is counterfeit - take some time to visit your bank and as the personal banker to help you. If you get a counterfeit bill and turn it in, you will NOT be reimbursed for the funds. This is not fair, but that's the way it is. If someone tries to pass a counterfeit bill, call the police and if possible, don't let them leave. If they leave, get a description of them, their vehicle, including license plate, etc.

    Our current card processor has the highest level of encryption. One of the nice features is that it shows the last 4 digits of the card number. Matching them with those numbers is one thing for preventing card fraud. We sometimes have a customer who will pay for a purchase, then decide she wants some other things. If the card is run more than once, the machine warns that it's a duplicate card number. This is sometimes annoying when the customer never stepped away from the counter, but if the customer dropped the card and someone found it and tried to use it, it would alert you that something might be going on.

    When we process a card, we have 2 copies of receipts from the machine. The customer gets their copy stapled to their sales invoice and I staple our merchant copy to our copy of the invoice. (Makes for a big stack of papers at the end of the day or month, but it keeps everything together.) SO - for the answer of what to do with the slips - I would use a receipt book and then staple the merchant copy to my copy of the receipt and put both in that locked cash box or somehow secure them. Leaving them in the receipt book can get bulky. If you want to get fancy, you can have NCR invoices printed fairly cheaply. Either way, you have the information of what was purchased, as well as your copy of the receipt all in one place. Makes it easy if there is a question in the future.

    I know I'm forgetting something, so PLEASE ask questions!

    Deb

     

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  • Tue, Sep 29 2009 8:28 PM In reply to

    • Lisa
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    Re: I've been accepted to my SECOND juried show!

    Deb, wow, THANK YOU for all that valuable information!!!  I'm going to be sure to bookmark this thread so I can refer back to it.  One of these days I need to find the time to post some questions in the thread about opening a bead shop -- time is definitely a rare commodity these days!

    I had a feeling the issue of security was pretty important.  Over the past 6 months or so, there have been at least FOUR instances here where credit/debit card numbers were compromised at the local base exchange.  Fortunately my cards weren't involved, and it's making me more and more afraid to use my plastic when I shop locally -- I've started carrying more cash than usual.  I had a friend whose only credit card had a fraud alert hold placed on it the day before she left for a month in Bali!  Major pain!!!

    I especially appreciate your advice about checking ID's.  Since I don't live in the "real world" and since I don't ever watch the news (my DH has recently returned from a year in Iraq -- can't stand the way they make it sound like the whole place is going up in flames every day) I hadn't heard about the option to write "check ID" on the back of my credit card.  What do you do if someone has written CID on the back of their card and have not signed it?  Do you accept it anyway?

    Do you record ID information anywhere?  For example, if someone shows you their driver's license as a photo ID, do you write the driver's license number on the receipt somewhere?  Is it a good idea to record information like that?  Seems like I've read that I shouldn't let a merchant write down my ID numbers, but maybe I'm not remembering correctly...

    I did order a few of those currency pens, they came in the mail last week.  Since we're such a small island, and a military base to boot, counterfeit currency isn't a big issue here, but I figured it would be better to be safe than sorry.  I love all the security measures they put into new currency these days -- very cool!  I think I might just hit the treasury's website and see if they've got a guide I can print out and leave at the shop.

    Have a beadiful day!

    lisa  Paradise

  • Wed, Sep 30 2009 1:30 PM In reply to

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     Deb, thanks for all of that valuable information!  Since I am just starting out, I am still going to go with a knucklbuster at the beginning.  I am sure it will work fine for me at least for a while.  One of my many reasons for putting off taking credit cards is because the terminals, especially the good ones that are wireless, are so expensive! 

    I never even thought about using a currency pen.  Where do you buy them?  I've never seen them anywhere.  And thanks also for the information on what to check on the credit card and on the IDs.  All very helpful information! 

     Sherri S.

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