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Latest post Fri, Jul 24 2009 2:33 PM by Pam. 66 replies.
  • Fri, Jul 17 2009 8:49 AM

    Group therapy with my BD friends

    DH had an angry outburst last night.

    He took the day off and went fishing, didn't get home until about 8:00 p.m.  After I got home from work around 5:00 p.m., I took chicken breasts out of the freezer and put them in water to thaw, then went straight to the internet.  I was on the internet until he got home, and was still connected to the internet (dial-up) when he got home.  I greeted him and began to cook dinner.  I told him his brother had called, and he'd better call him before 9:00 p.m. (his brother goes to bed early).   

    Once I got the chicken going, which only took me a few minutes, I went back into the office to finish what I was doing on the internet.  As soon as I sat down at the computer, he picked up the phone to call his brother and I hollered that I was doing something on the internet that would just take me a second (or two).  He yells, "That's pretty inconsiderate!  You tell me to 'call Tom right now' and then you get on the internet!"  I explained to him that I had been connected to the internet all evening since getting home from work, and I corrected his use of words "call Tom right now", telling him that I had said "Call Tom before 9:00 p.m."  It turned into a yelling match.  He swore that I said "call Tom right now."

    After that, I got off the internet and he called his brother, and the call didn't last long.  I tended to making dinner and we were both silent for quite some time.  By now it was about 8:45 p.m., 15 minutes before the show starts that he watches every night.  I then told him, "I want to tell you something before your show starts.  The fact that we can't address disagreements without you yelling at me I see as a serious problem."   He didn't say anything.  Then I said, "Did you hear what I said?"  He responded, "Yeah".  And I said "Good."  So now at least he knows that at least to me, this is a serious problem. 

    I love my husband dearly and do want to spend the rest of my life with him.  But somehow I have to get him to realize that he needs to work on these anger issues.  I mean, we're talking about disagreements in which anger has no business coming into play.  I just don't understand it.

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  • Fri, Jul 17 2009 9:27 AM In reply to

    • Inca
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    Re: Group therapy with my BD friends

    I dont really know what to say - but I felt like i had to give you a hug. (((hug)))
    (and you can always stop by here and borrow my internet =) )

  • Fri, Jul 17 2009 9:35 AM In reply to

    • MelindaB
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    Re: Group therapy with my BD friends

    Sherri ~ I'm so sorry that your husband blew up at you for no logical reason last night.  I don't know what else to say except that you are not alone. I really do hope you have a much better weekend. Left HugHugs From AlaskaRight Hug

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  • Fri, Jul 17 2009 9:42 AM In reply to

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    Sherri I am so sorry! I wish I had the answer or could wave my magic wand and make it better. 

    I know in the past you stated the he won't go to the dr or I think counseling. Would he go for you, if you had an appointment? This is underhanded but could you call the drs office and make an appointment for his anger issues, but tell him it is about you and you want him to go with you. Then when you get there, it is for him. Or would that do unfixable damage to your relationship? 

    Do you and he have the same dr that you could talk with your dr about the issues and get their input on how to get him to the drs office? 

    You have probably tried all of these things, but just thinking as I am typing. 

    The only other thing I can think of is is there any insurance policy or health coverage that could require an "exam" for something that would get him to the office. Again, a little underhanded. 

    Keep us posted! 

  • Fri, Jul 17 2009 10:01 AM In reply to

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    Sheila H:

    Do you and he have the same dr that you could talk with your dr about the issues and get their input on how to get him to the drs office? 

     

    You know what I could do.........I am due to have my asthma prescriptions refilled and I could mention it to the doctor that refills them for me.  I don't really consider him my doctor, but SOME doctor has to fill them.  Maybe he could give me some advice.

    This hospital is wierd though.  As you may or may not know, its extremely small because there are only 1,500 people in this town.  This hospital struggles to stay afloat.  As a result, they have a rule in the clinic that the doctor won't address any issues except for the ones that are mentioned when the appointment is made.  It is so stupid!  So in essence, if I go to get my Rx's refilled and I say, "Oh by the way, my foot hurts...", I would have to pay a second co-payment.  I've never heard of any clinic operating that way.

    So what do I do when I make my appointment - do I say, "I want to refill my prescriptions and talk to the doctor about my husband's anger issues."?  The thing of it is, my husband and I are both employees at this hospital/clinic, so there would be no privacy regarding my marital issues!  I know all about HIPAA, but small towns are funny places......word gets around about EVERYTHING, regardless if there are rules set against it!

    I may just mention it anyway during the appointment, without telling the front desk, and hopefully the doctor will be sympathetic about my situation.

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  • Fri, Jul 17 2009 10:10 AM In reply to

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    Thanks Inca and Melinda, for your hugs.  And I know I'll have a good weekend - I always do!

    I'm not really asking for a solution here on the forums, but it just helps to talk about it and use my friends as sounding boards.  And its not like my marriage is on the brink of failing - far from it.  We get along very well, but this communication issue makes it not fun sometimes.   And after these outbursts, he goes back to being his old self, like nothing ever happened.  I just can't see how he would think this is okay, because it's not.

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  • Fri, Jul 17 2009 10:14 AM In reply to

    • LitaC
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    Re: Group therapy with my BD friends

    Sherri:

    I am SO PROUD OF YOU.    I think most people are conditioned to confront anger either by getting angry in return or by retreating.  It is so difficult to face anger and reply with calm control.

    You definitely gave DH something to think about.

    <<<HUGS>>>

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  • Fri, Jul 17 2009 10:24 AM In reply to

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    Thanks, Lita! 

    Hopefully I didn't yell back when he was yelling at me - I don't remember that I did - but I tend to talk loudly anyway - always have.  I try not to yell back because it does nothing but get my adrenaline flowing and my blood pressure up.

    And hopefully he will think about it.  You can be sure that I'll mention it again each time he blows up at me, and if I mention it enough times, if he doesn't begin working on it, I will mention therapy.

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  • Fri, Jul 17 2009 10:50 AM In reply to

    • CourtneyB
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     I don't know what to say except that we are here for you.  Hopefully what you said will begin to sink in and he comes to you for clarification and that opens a dialogue.

    Courtney

     

  • Fri, Jul 17 2009 11:20 AM In reply to

    • LYILHA
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    I am so sorry!  I was thinking...I don't really have alot of experience since I am not married but since he refuses to go to a Dr to discuss his anger issues you might try looking for something for him to read...maybe read it together and that way he doesn't feel like you are just pointing out his faults.   I know there are alot of books for working on marriage relationships and issues like this and maybe if you read it together every night then it would not only help him work on his anger issue but also bring you two closer together than you already are in other ways too!  Just a thought.  I hope that he opens up about this with you and he seeks help!  Left Hug

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  • Fri, Jul 17 2009 11:46 AM In reply to

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    Thanks, Kelly.  We actually have both read Men are from Mars Women are from Venus - the same year we met.  HE'S the one who suggested I read it!  Its a great book that helps to understand how relationships work, but I don't recall it mentioning dealing with anger.  Maybe I'll look that up and see. 

    Its too bad he's not into self help the way he was when I first met him.

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  • Fri, Jul 17 2009 2:15 PM In reply to

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    Re: Group therapy with my BD friends

    Good for you Sherri!  That's a great way to let him know what he's doing by yelling at you isn't working, without coming right out and accusing him.  I hope it helps too, like everyone else here does.  I honestly don't know what the answer is for you and your husband, I do hope you can improve things for both of you. 

    I really do understand how much his behavior hurts you and I pray for you and for him. 

    Pam

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  • Fri, Jul 17 2009 3:29 PM In reply to

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    Sherri S.:
    I told him his brother had called, and he'd better call him before 9:00 p.m. (his brother goes to bed early). 

    From my side of the fence:  If DW said tyhat to mke, I'd take it as a reminder that he goes to bed early, so I'd better call now; then she won't nag me.

    Sherri S.:
    He yells, "That's pretty inconsiderate!  You tell me to 'call Tom right now' and then you get on the internet!"

    He didn't know you were on the internet since you got home, and when you sat down at your PC, he felt  you had no more to say, and so it was a good time to call before the line was "tied up all night".

    Sherri S.:
    I then told him, "I want to tell you something before your show starts.  The fact that we can't address disagreements without you yelling at me I see as a serious problem."   He didn't say anything.  Then I said, "Did you hear what I said?"  He responded, "Yeah".  And I said "Good."  So now at least he knows that at least to me, this is a serious problem. 

    Good response, but ... he knows that it bothers you, he doesn't see it as a 'serious problem'.  He and I, and all martians, live on the other side of the communications gap from you women from Venus.  That's the reason for the book

    My wife doesn't understand why my understanding of what she says is so different from what she meant.  I'm sure you'd understand it the way she does, and your DH would understand it the way I do.  All we can do is try to remember that we don't see things the same way, and we never will, here.  What I heard in the past affects how I hear what is said now, and they both will affect what I will hear in the future. 

    The problem ISN'T that he heard you say "call now" when you said "call before 9:00"; it IS that he lost his temper.  The latter can be helped through therapy and medication, but the former will nevewr be resolved; both of you need to recognize that and work around it.  [Re-read the book, I know you cannot do it from his/my perspective, but try to not let your perspective color it too much.]

    I've been there / am there -- we still have disagreements on what was said/meant, and we've been married for 45 years.  It is unfortunate that DW doesn't realize how huge the gap really is, but then she had a sheltered farm girl life, and I went to a town school, two completely different cultures.

    We cannot change our past, but we can try to understand why the other sees things differently.

    Sherri S.:
    I then told him, "I want to tell you something before your show starts. 

    I do not believe there is any better way to say it, than that.

    To quote Red Skelton, "God bless".

    Stan B.

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  • Fri, Jul 17 2009 4:20 PM In reply to

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     Sherri - I understand, our town is 1800 people. Everyone knows everything!

    Stan - Thank you for the view from the male side of things. I know that hubby sometimes hears differently than what I say. I do tease him that he hears what/how he wants to hear it. At least I know that it is not just him! ((Smile ))

    Sherri - Is there anyway that he would be receptive to talking about it after that fact? Like today or tomorrow? Would it be of any help to have a video camera to record his outbursts and then when he is back to his old self play it for him?

    I know you are not looking for answers, but I do so want to find some solution to make it a little better. I am so glad that you posted your frustrations. By doing so it allows you to vent it out and not let it fester and cause the problem to compound. So post away my friend!

  • Fri, Jul 17 2009 6:58 PM In reply to

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    Sheila H:

    Stan - Thank you for the view from the male side of things. I know that hubby sometimes hears differently than what I say. I do tease him that he hears what/how he wants to hear it. At least I know that it is not just him! ((Smile ))

     

     I agree!  Thanks Stan, for your male point of view!  I will read your post several times and will let it sink in!  You are right, the problem is not what was said, but that he lost his temper.   And yes, I think that we both should read the book again - tomorrow I'll see if I can find it.

    Sheila H:

    Sherri - Is there anyway that he would be receptive to talking about it after that fact? Like today or tomorrow? Would it be of any help to have a video camera to record his outbursts and then when he is back to his old self play it for him?

     I don't think that bringing out a video camera during an outburst would set will with him.  I think I will just keep telling him after his outbursts that I consider his temper a serious problem.  Then if he doesn't make an effort to control it after several reminders, I will suggest counseling and go from there.

    All input though, is welcomed from my BD friends!

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