Does anyone know how to create a spiral in the center of wire?

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Latest post Mon, Jul 13 2009 1:21 PM by Cat . 16 replies.
  • Mon, May 25 2009 9:07 AM

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    Does anyone know how to create a spiral in the center of wire?

    Is there a way to use a continuous length of wire to make a spiral? I hope I can explain this right. Basically you have a long piece of wire you are stringing (not beading wire) string a bead, then I want to make a spiral but to continue with beads after the spiral so it has to be the same wire I'm using.

    I was trying this last night and folded the wire in half, then tried to use my round nose in the fold/curve and started to turn it in like you would for a spiral, then used my flat nose to work the spiral. Problem is on a couple, the bend and turn weakened the wire and I am afraid it is going to snap.  

    Does anyone know how to do this better?

     

  • Mon, May 25 2009 9:32 AM In reply to

    Re: Does anyone know how to create a spiral in the center of wire?

     Cat - I have not done this but in my mind if you put a bend in the wire to that your pliers will fit between the two wires. Then work the two are one to make the spiral. It would be a spiral with spaces, but in my mind it looks awesome. The only problem will be when you get to the end, one wire will continue out straight without any problems, but you will have to put a bend in the other wire to get it to go the other way.

    I would make sure to keep a little space between the wires while starting the spiral. It you tried to bend the two wires flat, that could be a problem. Is there anyway to do this with two separate wires that meet that the very tip of the spiral?

     

  • Mon, May 25 2009 9:34 AM In reply to

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    Re: Does anyone know how to create a spiral in the center of wire?

     That's the only way that I can see to do it in a single piece of wire. You can heat the wire to retemper it as it were. I think the technical word is anealing, but that may be something altogether different. Heat it up and then cool it in a bowl of water and it will harden the wire considerably. I have my Grandpa's forge, but I don't have any place to put it. Not to mention that coal gets VERY hot! Good in the winter, but not now for sure. *laughz* I have seen him harden all kinds of metal that way. Keep in mind that if it gets too hard that it also gets brittle and will break rather than bend.

     Billy ;o)

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  • Mon, May 25 2009 10:08 AM In reply to

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    Re: Does anyone know how to create a spiral in the center of wire?

    Sheila H:
    if you put a bend in the wire to that your pliers will fit between the two wires. Then work the two are one to make the spiral.
     

     

    THis is what I was doing. Great minds like alike eh? I actually got the spiral close too, so there is no open space. The beginning part is the only problem. Some were fine but like I said, a couple of  the spirals I made, right at the beginning where I started the turn of the two wires it got weak. None broke on me but I am worried they will.

    I am going to work with it more today and see what else I figure out but I thought I would check with all my friends here to see if anyone has done this.

    I know I can just make spiral links but it's not what I want. I want the continuous wire.

    Thanks Big Smile

     

  • Mon, May 25 2009 10:10 AM In reply to

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    Re: Does anyone know how to create a spiral in the center of wire?

    Alastar Dragonfly:
    You can heat the wire to retemper it as it were. I think the technical word is anealing, but that may be something altogether different. Heat it up and then cool it in a bowl of water and it will harden the wire considerably.
     

     

    Billy exactly how would I do this? I searched for annealing here on BD but didn't come up with much. Would I use a torch to heat it or something else?

     

  • Mon, May 25 2009 10:49 AM In reply to

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    Re: Does anyone know how to create a spiral in the center of wire?

     The few times that I have done it, I did it with a  full sized cutting torch, but a smallish butane one should work just as well. As long as it gets good and hot, anything should be able to do it. I have heard of people making wire jewelry and then putting it in a kiln to harden it. Although in a kiln, it cools very slowly. Grandpa always said that if you cool it slower, it will be more flexible, but nowhere near as hard, so it's all in what you want, I guess. To cool it slowly, heat it up and then drom it in  a bowl of motor oil, yes motor oil. It will cool at about 15%-20% of the cooling rate as water so it take a few minutes to handle it with your bare hands. That's about all I really know and considering my Grandpa, it may be totally wrong. *laughz*

     Billy ;o)

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  • Mon, May 25 2009 3:18 PM In reply to

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    Re: Does anyone know how to create a spiral in the center of wire?

    Cat, I agree with Sheila about how to manipulate the wire into a spiral...and I copied and pasted the link to the thread and the text I sent to Dagmar about six weeks ago when she wanted to know how to anneal jump rings....Billy, brass, copper, silver and gold, among others, are non-ferrous metals, they have no iron in them, and they behave differently than iron alloys do.  Thus your Grandpa is right, but in this case you do want to quench things to keep them soft. 

    http://www.beadingdaily.com/forums/p/3138/25477.aspx#25477

    Pam:
    Dagmar,  I couldn't find one online that wasn't too involved or technical, so I wrote up that description of the annealing process, etc. again this morning and I saved it this time.

    It probably sounds fairly didactic, but here it is:

    Annealing metal jump rings

    What you will need:

    Fire brick or Ceramic tile: the kind of fire brick used in fireplaces, not the kind used to line the walkway outdoors...or a high heat fired ceramic tile, such as used in the bathroom behind the tub, samples are fine.

    Fireproof base: something sturdy metal, like a cake pan or small cookie sheet.

    Flux: Commercial flux for the jeweler, not the stuff in the hardware store, or, I make my own in a small glass jar, baby food jar or small spice jar, with 2/3 boric acid, from the drugstore, 1/3 borax, from the laundry aisle at Wally World or grocery store, fill this up with wood alcohol, from the hardware store, and shake it to blend.  Don't use rubbing alcohol.  A good fitting lid is best as the alcohol evaporates.

    Small paint brush: An inexpensive paint brush for children is okay, use a wider one rather than a tiny pointy one.

    Pickle: Commercial pickle for the jeweler, or, I make my own in a small crock pot for potpourri liquid or even a small coffee cup, put some warm water in the container and add a teaspoon or two of alum to the coffee cup, a tablespoon or two to the crock pot. The warmer the water and the more alum the quicker the pickle will work to remove the residue from the flux.

    Tweezers or pliers: Something with a wooden or otherwise insulated handle, to be dedicated to this use.  Cheap chain nose pliers work well. 

    Length of copper wire: 18 gauge or larger bent at one end into an L shape, to remove the jump rings from the pickle. Don't use steel to do this as it will react with the pickle to create a plating solution.

    Sunglasses or dark safety glasses: For safety and to better judge the color of the metal as it heats.

    Torch: A plumbers torch is fine for this, from the hardware store, and something to light the torch with such as a striker or a candle lighter.

    Set up like this:

    Put the firebrick or ceramic tile on the cake pan or cookie sheet and put a few jump rings on top of this. Then dip the brush into the flux and paint the jump rings with just enough to cover them. This prevents the metal from oxidizing and discoloring badly and is also a temperature indicator. Move the flux away from the table you are working on so that there is no chance of accidentally getting too near the alcohol in the jar with the torch. Set up a small cup or jar with some room temperature water near the work station, and set up another cup or the crock pot with the warm pickle in it nearby as well.  The pickle should be about the temperature of a nice hot cup of coffee (not Dunkin Donut's...that's too hot).

    Put on your dark glasses. Fire up the torch with either a striker, which may or may not be provided with the torch, or a lighter...candle lighters are great for this as you don't get your hands too near the gas. Adjust the flame of the torch so that you can see a well defined blue flame coming from the tip surrounded by a less well defined orange/yellow flame. The blue flame should not be extremely sharp, nor should the torch sound like it is hissing loudly like an angry cat. You want the flame to be a medium large, medium hot flame.

    Apply this flame to the jump rings, moving constantly over them with the orange part of the flame until the flux begins to “melt”. The flux will start out looking like a whitish powdery substance and when it melts it will turn shiny, clear, and liquid-looking. There may be some small temporary flames from the alcohol in this particular flux, this is normal and they will die down in a few seconds. Commercial fluxes don't usually produce flames like this.

    At this point, the metal will start warming up. Keep moving the torch constantly over the jump rings and watch to see when they start to turn a dull red. This is it, this is the temperature you want them to be, so remove the torch and turn it off.

    Using the tweezers or pliers, pick up the jump rings and put them into the cup of water to quench them. Then remove them from the water and put them into the pickle cup or pot. The pickle will remove the discoloration from the flames in ten minutes or so and the jump rings will look satiny or matte...they are done then and can be removed from the pickle with the copper wire, washed, and shined back up with a cloth or buffer. Now they are annealed and will not break as easily when you use them.

    The opposite of annealed is work-hardened...if they are too soft you can harden them back up a little by opening and closing them a few times.

    That's it!

    This isn't a very technical description of this process, there is a lot more to actually understanding what is happening to the metal, what particular fluxes and pickles work best, which torch is best, etc., and I think it's a lot of fun to learn about all that. But for simple annealing of jump rings, this works, and it isn't necessary, unless you want to, to understand all the technical things.

    I hope it helps...if you have questions I'll try to answer them...

    Pam Left Hug

     

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  • Tue, May 26 2009 7:55 AM In reply to

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    Re: Does anyone know how to create a spiral in the center of wire?

     Oh my gosh darn! I might skip the annealing for now! Phew that's a lot of work! I can remake the one spiral quicker than I can do all this!

    I am saving this info though for later use when I have broadened my capabilities. Pam you have a lot of experience. Big Smile

     

  • Tue, May 26 2009 10:55 AM In reply to

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    Re: Does anyone know how to create a spiral in the center of wire?

     Cool, at least i know something aboout forging. *laughz* I only worked with steel and iron doing that, so I never really knew that there was a difference between metal with iron and without. That is some good to know info. i copied it to a .txt file for later use. I have everything needed to do it. I just have to get the initiative. I'm hurting so bad that the Black Talon .357 bullet that I carry is sounding good. I kid of course, but it is an idea. *laughz* Don't worry, I am NOT serious here. I like life too much, even if it hurts. I'm worried about my BP more than anything.

     Billy ;o)

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  • Thu, May 28 2009 4:14 AM In reply to

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    Re: Does anyone know how to create a spiral in the center of wire?

    Alastar Dragonfly:
     I'm hurting so bad that the Black Talon .357 bullet that I carry is sounding good. I kid of course, but it is an idea. *laughz* Don't worry, I am NOT serious here. I like life too much, even if it hurts. I'm worried about my BP more than anything. 
     Oh dear god DON'T, please, we love you too much Billy.  I'm glad you like the ridiculously lengthy description of annealing  

    Cat, not to fear, it's not all that hard, it just sounds it.  It helps a lot to have all this stuff set up in advance. 

    For everyone...

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  • Thu, May 28 2009 11:19 AM In reply to

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    Re: Does anyone know how to create a spiral in the center of wire?

     

    Pam:

     Oh dear god DON'T, please, we love you too much Billy. 

     Thank you.

     I was only kidding, but I do have a Black Talon armor piercing bullet set aside for that reason alone. My Dad was eat up with cancer and he had it in his left pants pocket when he died. It never got "bad enough" for him to use it. When he became a total 'burden', he only lasted 4 days. He went peacefully in a morphiene induced stupor. I carry it in my Medicine Bag in my left pants pocket for the same reason. I refuse to be a total burdon on anyone. Otherwise, I'm cool. *grinz* Don't worry, my heart is going to quit and i'll go quick and easy. *laughz* Hopefully anyway.

     Billy ;o)

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  • Thu, May 28 2009 6:26 PM In reply to

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    Re: Does anyone know how to create a spiral in the center of wire?

     Yup.  I don't want to be a burden on anyone either, nevermind the fact that I don't know anyone who would take me if I was...I just tell my family if I get really bad, life is really ugly or something just stick me right in a nursing home where the staff is there specifically to take care of old, sick and dying people...don't bother trying to keep me going with all the frills at home.  Then I can die in peace knowing I'm not bothering anybody or taking away from the good things in life.  Hey, it's only a body...the real stuff keeps going anyway...but you scared me there Billy.....One of these days something is going to quit on all of us, I'd just rather nobody here takes off too soon...that includes you...what would I have done last night for example?

    Pam

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  • Mon, Jul 13 2009 2:39 AM In reply to

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    http://www.beadinggem.com/2009/07/3-tutorials-on-how-to-make-scrolled.html

    I found this on Pearl's blog from today. There is one tut on how to make a spiral connection with one wire going in and coming out of the same spiral, so maybe this helps anyone.

  • Mon, Jul 13 2009 3:50 AM In reply to

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    Re: Does anyone know how to create a spiral in the center of wire?

    Wow, nice Dagi! That's it! Thanks...Flower

    Pam

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  • Mon, Jul 13 2009 7:37 AM In reply to

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    Re: Does anyone know how to create a spiral in the center of wire?

    Dagmar:

    You beat me to it!  I just read the same thing and was about to repost it here. 

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