Best beads for twisted tubular herringbone

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KipperCat wrote
on Apr 27, 2010 12:06 AM

Does this stitch look any better with round seeds vs. delica/tubular beads?  I love the look of it, but have never done it.  I want to try some simple chains.

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JSmaz wrote
on Apr 27, 2010 12:50 AM

I think it's more a preference for how you want it to look than ease of stitching.  I've only done herringbone with round seed beads so far and they've worked fine.  Herringbone is a pretty forgiving stitch for round seeds I think, unlike peyote where they're a PITA.

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Memoosim wrote
on Apr 27, 2010 6:08 AM

I'm doing a piece using both right now.  I was just kinda playing around trying to answer that ? to myself, but my daughter liked it. Surprise  I'm putting in a pic so you can see

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Not a great pic..... oh well.

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on Apr 27, 2010 11:03 AM

I've done twisted Ndebele with a mix of seeds and Delicas.  It has a really nice effect.  The seeds are 11 but will sit above the Delicas adding depth. Here are images of Xmas present that the family got a few years ago.  I find that the trick with any spiral is to try it.  Make a one or two inch test strip to see if is the affect you want.  The fun of beading is there are no rules, just try it.

 

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KipperCat wrote
on Apr 27, 2010 11:30 PM

Ooh, I like the mix of seeds and delicas here.  I'd been thinking of making a simple silver chain of tubular herringbone ever since I saw the one on the Ruby's Beadwork website.

In the examples the two of you have posted, what size bead ring did you start with?

I have a little one inch piece that I've worked up in sz 8's on a 6 ring base.  It seemed to take awhile to get that little bit done, but hopefully that's because it's a new stitch for me.  I'm using the instructions for the "Twisted Cable Bracelet" in Getting Started with Seed Beads, which are a little different than the B&B video which I looked at.

The video uses a 4 round ring, and "sews up" through 2 beads to force the twist.  It then steps up through 3 beads at the end of the round, which is of course the 2nd stitch of the round.  From the video I'm not sure if they continue alternating 2 and 3, or just continue with the 3.

The book's instructions uses a 6 round ring, and  "sews up" through 3 beads to force the twist.  It goes through the same number, i.e. 3 beads, each stitch, so you don't have to step up at the end of each round. Looking at the samples shown, I think the book's piece twists more tightly, but I can't tell for sure.

 

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Memoosim wrote
on Apr 28, 2010 6:33 AM

I'm using a 4 ring base and alternating a 2/3 step up on every row.  I'm also using 11/0's on the round beads. The tension seems to be the key.  Mine is looseish because my daughter wants me to weave maille between 2 strands for a choker. This is only my 3rd twisted herringbone piece so I can only tell you how I'm doing mine.  It's fun though and goes fast.

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on Apr 28, 2010 10:09 AM

Kippercat

I used six bead base, 3 sets of a 11/0 seed and Delica. Starting with a ladder 2 beads high. For the first round you go down 1 bead and up 2, that means up thru the whole row of 2 beads. Once you get a row 3 beads high you go down 1 bead and up 3 for the rest of the rope.

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KipperCat wrote
on Apr 28, 2010 2:34 PM

I'm curious - do you think the 2/3 works better for a 4 bead rope, and the 3 each time for a 6 bead rope?  Some day I'll try some both ways on a 4 & 6 bead rope. It will also be interesting to see if it's any easier with 11's than 8's - probably not!

Thank you very much for all the help.

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on Apr 28, 2010 4:04 PM

Kippercat

When you say 2/3 do you mean going down 2 beads and up 3 beads?  And isn't  4 bead set awful small or are you using larger beads.  Let me know when you try it.  eperimenting is part of the fun.

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KipperCat wrote
on May 1, 2010 10:30 AM

"When you say 2/3 do you mean going down 2 beads and up 3 beads? "

Philonese, yes, that's what I mean.  The B&B example above appears to be a 4 bead rope.  It would certainly be smaller, but perhaps better for people like my sister who wants jewelry with a very delicate look.  Someday I'll try it and find out!

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gail@167 wrote
on May 2, 2010 4:37 AM

I love twisted herringbone and have used all sort of beads including seeds, hexes and delicas from sizes 15 - 8.  By using beads of different sizes you can emphasise the twist too. and its fun to embellish, as you alrady have the twist to follow round the rope. Here's a picture of a bracelet I made using size 8 seeds and hexes and then embellished using shells, and fwp

 

 

 

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KipperCat wrote
on May 2, 2010 4:01 PM

Gail, this looks great!  I was about to ask you how well it worked without a clasp, and then I found it. :)

Is this a 4bead strand?

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gail@167 wrote
on May 3, 2010 2:02 AM

Hi,  thanks, I really enjoyed making it as it seemed to come together really quickly - you know how some things do?

Yes it's just four beads, but because they are  8s and with the embellishment it doesn't look too skinny.  I thought the biwa made a great toggle and fitted with the embellishments. I made the loop by continuing the herringbone on just two beads eventually joining up with the beads on the other side when it was long enough to go round, although I switched colours halfway so that it would all match up when I joined.  Hope that makes sense?

 

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KipperCat wrote
on May 3, 2010 4:20 PM

Yes, it makes perfect sense.   I think I'll switch to a 4 bead trial for my bracelet with 8's.  I like it better with the embellishments anyway!

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CRS3813 wrote
on May 4, 2010 7:42 PM

Oh my that is beautiful!!!!  I am just a beginnner and I am taking a peyote class that is one of the patterns they are going to teach me next week. I am so excited to start it. I have been wanting to do that for a long time. I haven't done any bead work since I was a little girl. Just stringing. I had a loom for a while and I did pretty good with it but I didn't know how to finish it. But I am learning more now. Again your work is just beautiful!!!

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Cindy

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